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All right, so we figured just finished Labor Day weekend.
I went to the first music festival I've been to in a while.
Electronic Music Festival that I think gets important note because there are different
flavor than going to like a summer fest or it's very, they typically have pretty
devout fans that are going to these things.
And at the electronic ones.
Yeah, like it's not that it's subculture and it's grown in popularity but it's totally
a subculture.
I don't know if it is any more.
I think for a while it was like you go to a warehouse and it's a rave.
It was like that for a long time but it's grown to like these giant festivals in the middle
of Chicago where there's tens of thousands of people.
It doesn't feel very popular.
Yeah, so anyway, I've been to a lot of these in my time on this earth and most of them
I find something that I'm like, damn, that was fucking awesome.
This one I went to which I should preface with it was a techno festival which I've only had one of
their experience where I went to this bar in the walkie called Bremen and they had like a
background where they had a techno DJ and I thought it was truly the worst music I've ever
heard of my entire life.
And I want to give myself some credit here because I've seen almost every genre I can imagine
under the sun live.
And my argument is that you know what, there's some good version of almost every genre like
music I'm like, that's pretty dope.
That sounds pretty cool.
Yeah.
This one is not the case for me.
That went to that dude.
The whole show and you know, it's a giant stage, there's tons of room.
All you could hear was the same bass.
You couldn't hear any song.
So it might have just been the sound set up but it was just,
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
a travel.
Need more travel in there.
Yes.
It was the worst part though for me is that this is all happening and I have all these people who go
every year with me who brought me to this thing being like, dude, you're going to fight
it so good.
Eric Pritz the headliner, his visuals, the visuals were crazy but I'm not there for the
fucking, the light show.
I want to hear crazy music live.
And so they're all, they recommended it.
That was their mistake.
But the worst, the worst part for me is the denial that they have about it.
We're there and we're all here in the same thing.
Yeah.
And they're like, dude, did you hear that?
And like, what are you talking about?
It's truly the biggest pile of dogs shit I've ever, it got to after hour three of dancing,
which it was eight hours long.
Just to be clear, this is just this specific festival, right?
Correct.
You still like electronic music.
Absolutely.
It's this genre specifically where I don't, I truly don't understand the allure.
At some point, I'll play for you some tracks.
I put $500 on it.
You'd be like, man, that's not great.
Yeah.
So saying that you could win $500 if you were dishonest and be like, oh, I love this music.
I think it's that bad.
You're saying I couldn't even lie.
Yes.
Because it's truly like, so this is a subgenre of electronics.
Yes.
It's like it's you know, it rock is hard rock and metal.
And this is what's the genre called?
This would be techno technically.
I think it's called techno.
Or it could be like, yeah, which, man, it was my opinion brutal.
Everyone around me was doing drugs.
So maybe that was the difference.
But I've also gone to show tons of difference.
I've gone tons of electronic shows, sober.
Yeah.
And the music kicks so much ass.
Yeah.
So I don't fucking know.
It got to, so you know, I'm just putting up with it after hour three.
And you know, once you're putting up with it and I was drinking a ton.
So I was drunk and I was still like, oh, like, yeah, which takes a lot, man.
If I'm fucked up, I'm pretty okay to go around most terrible situations.
I'm like, dude, we can make this work.
But I guess it was the reality of realizing like, I have five more hours of this in a field.
With all these people who are like, oh my god, did you hear that?
It's okay.
So maybe you're growing up.
No, I don't think so.
Cause I still go to, I mean, I've been to a show not too long ago at the Miramar with an electronic producer.
And I was like, this is fucking awesome.
Yeah.
Whole different scene there though were.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So was it like ear shattering loud?
Oh, yeah.
Ear plugs in.
Okay.
But it was, cause I've been to concerts where it's just so loud.
I can't even enjoy or like even hear the music really.
Yeah.
I mean, you could, you truly could not hear anything other than the bass at the same BPM.
So from my perspective, it sounds like you're listening.
Hounding noise over and over.
Yes.
For eight hours.
We're at once again.
And it's not like people are hearing different things.
Maybe there's spots on the festival grounds.
We're like, no, man, it's like the color argument.
We all see different colors.
Maybe it's just decibels.
At a certain point, you're going to hear something more than the other if it's pounding out more decibels.
So anyway.
So I'm on, I'm in this field.
I'm dealing with it.
Whatever.
The plan is we're going to drive back tonight.
But the people we went, and I should also preface this with all the people there are also.
So, you know, we're all there.
It finally gets to a point where the last artist is done.
I'm like, okay.
So in my head, I'm like, okay, I'm going to start becoming hungover now,
because I'm going to drive everyone home.
So I, but I'm just have to like white knuckle through this.
But everyone's on uppers, dude, from blow to ecstasy.
So like, they don't want to stop.
And so we go back to their place.
And I don't know if you've ever been around people that are on uppers.
But it's just, it's when you're not on them, it's a lot to handle.
You got to match.
You got to match everyone's energy.
Which, and you can't when you're not on uppers.
Because they're so talkative and so chatty and cracked out.
And just it's so, do when you're not that.
And you're also essentially not drunk anymore.
You're like, oh man.
So I'm just kind of thankfully meet these two awesome dudes at the party from before.
So we're chatting up and just haven't talked about music and stuff.
But they're like my lifeline in this sea of people who are just like,
yeah, I'm just cleaning to them essentially.
And just sit and drink and water.
And I'm like, okay.
So what time do we plan?
What time can we leave?
Not trying to be a downer, but like, they're like,
all right, how about like 2am?
Like, fine.
That's, it's all, yeah.
But it's weird because from the mind of someone not on those drugs and the experience,
it seems like there's almost no reason why you would ever, ever want to stay that way.
Because they're literally doing nothing.
For them they just don't want it to happen.
They're doing nothing.
Most of my friends and the people there are literally sitting down,
not even talking.
And as the night progresses, it only gets kind of like darker and darker,
not light wise, but just vibe wise where people are getting really cracked out.
It's getting really late.
And people are just, this sounds horrible.
Dude, it's all it's just sound.
Dude, it was truly one of the worst things I've experienced in a while.
Wow.
Yeah.
And I went to a child molestation trial.
I was done with jury for it.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, dude.
So, I think God, he said trial.
I was like, where are you going?
What a turn that would be.
So, you know, it's getting, it's just getting to this point where I'm like fighting
to just keep my sanity.
I'm like, only another hour, only another 30 minutes counting down.
Have you talked to anyone about this?
No.
No.
Oh, well, I mean, when we all, I feel like it's all coming out raw, which is beautiful.
On this level kind of, yeah, because I don't, you don't want to be a downer
when everyone's having a good time.
I'm like, contain this now.
But when I see them next, it all comes out.
Like, we're all on that level of friendship.
But so, the clock counts down.
It's finally 2am around the boys who are literally doing nothing.
Literally sitting down.
And, you know, and this is not throwing shade.
But when I'm, when I'm fucked up like that, I'm usually the guy doing stuff.
Because it's so much better when you're on those drugs to like, get up, talk, go listen to music in this room,
go like see what's going on in the party.
So I'm like, how are you enjoying this even on the drawing?
They're just sitting down.
So, round the boys, say all the good, goodbyes to all the cracked out people.
And then, we also brought a keg to the party.
So we had to ask for this fucking keg.
Is it a full-blown party or is it just like a 30 people?
Oh, yeah, there's like 30 people.
But, you know, it's, there's music.
But that's like, there's no, no one's playing any games.
It just wants to get just sitting.
No conversation, no games.
There's blaring music.
A couple conversations would have other than me talking to these guys who are,
they're cracked out but they're, they're handling it.
To the point where they like met me halfway between cracked out person and almost sober person
and having a conversation, which was super nice.
Got their numbers too.
One guy texted me, I was like, dude, you guys get home safe.
Wonderful dudes.
The best man.
Bro right there.
Yeah.
Oh, one, a funny part.
So one of the guys names was Jake Thompson, who was literally the guy's name that I played pickleball with every Wednesday.
And so I, I was drunk at the time.
He's on a bunch of drugs and I'm like, we're exchanging numbers.
He, he hands me my phone as after I gave it to him to put his number on my phone.
And says, Jake, you know, like, oh, did I think you overwrote my friend's number in here?
I was like, oh, fuck, my bad dude.
Give it back to him.
He does the same thing.
It's just his name.
So I'm thinking he's like going in my phone literally in the moment.
I had a like, what the, dude, he just did the same thing and then didn't realize to the next day I'm like, who are you?
His name is Jake.
What are the chances also of that same first last name of one of my close friends?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pretty crazy.
It's mildly crazy.
Anyway, it's not too crazy.
Round the boys get to the car.
I think the first thing boom says he's like, so arc next year, huh?
He knows how I'm feeling.
Like, you know, I was gonna say that I gotta be sensitive.
Yeah, because I'm well, yeah, that once again, not being a party pooper.
But there's even a guy on, I could see that.
It's truly just like they didn't even like it either.
They liked it, but it wasn't something that I've had a lot of extreme highs in my life.
So that was just like, why, what is, I'm locked into this thing now that I can't really leave.
Which is all my doing.
And I took a new chance on a new kind of festival music, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But anyway, he said that, and immediately part of this raw explosion you're getting now came up then.
Whereas like, I don't understand why anyone on this planet would ever pay for that experience.
And they're like, well, you know, the base was kind of loud.
I'm like, could you guys hear any of the songs be honestly real?
All you could hear was basically entire time.
And like, well, yeah, I'm like, then how, how are you guys enjoying that?
You're the base guys.
It'd be like if I put on, if I had a kick pedal for a drum, and I just did boom, boom, boom, and put you in a room.
Or in a field, let's say, making more realistic for eight hours.
And you came out of that and you went, that was amazing.
I do the miscalculation of my head just broke on some level.
So I don't know.
Anyway, that happened.
It was kind of a funny thing.
We all laughed about it.
It's now two in the morning.
I have to drive from fucking Chicago all the way to Milwaukee.
Start my god.
Seriously?
Oh, yeah, dude.
It was a drive or drive or drive.
Everyone's fucked up.
Dom's singing passenger, we're listening to music.
It's a relatively good time.
The same music.
Yeah, we just played techno all the way home.
No, dude, turn on some good jams and just cranked it.
We get almost home and I get pulled over.
Oh, shit.
And, man, I should tell you what happened prior to this.
We're maybe 10 minutes away from my buddy's place in Oak Creek.
There's a state trooper in front of me going probably 75 miles per hour, 70 miles per hour.
You know, typically on the highway, you can go 80.
Like a cop's not going to pull you over for going 80.
90.
Dude, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
So I'm behind him.
I'm like, I don't want to go this fucking slow.
Then I pass him.
Oh, no.
Dude, pop the lights on.
Oh, immediately.
So I probably passed him going 80 miles per hour.
Yeah.
Pulse me over.
I'm like, the DOM initially is like, oh, I think my registration sticker scratched off, but it's registered.
I'm like, oh, fuck.
Because in my head, I'm like, I did nothing wrong by the rules of the road.
Pulse us over.
Comes up to the window.
He's like, you know, faster we're going.
And dude, and the guy has to be maybe a little younger than me.
So I'm like, oh, fuck.
And power trip could have taken.
Oh, yeah.
I was about to fight a cop.
No, I cut.
And I was like, I'm 80.
And he was like, yeah.
Like he said, do you think it's really smart?
If you do, you know, pass the front of a cop and then speed past him like that?
No, I went to a polish mode.
I do not want to fucking pick up fights.
That's what you got.
That's how you take it.
Yeah, I was not half their power.
Literally at that moment, I realized this is this guy.
He's not going to back down if I'm like, no, I was going fucking 80.
Like that would not do anything.
So I was like, no, officer, I didn't know.
I thought I was, we're almost home.
It's been a long trip.
Just try it.
And the first thing, it's another weird thing.
I'm driving Dom's car.
He realizes that.
And he, everyone else is on drugs and fucked up.
He looks at Dom and he goes, is he okay to drive?
Dom's in the passenger seat.
I'm like, you're like, no.
No, no, no.
He has Dom.
I'm okay to drive.
Oh, I see.
And I was like, I'm just, you're making this more confusing.
And then he just, you know, he started really kind of, that's weird.
Dude, it was just the biggest power trip cop bullshit.
I've experienced it in getting pulled over where he didn't like that I passed him.
And he just wanted to exercise his right to be like, why are you doing that?
It's my robe.
And so did that.
And then gave me a warning.
It was like, just, you know, get home safe.
But next time be smarter about what you're doing on the road.
Like, dude, about passing people, about passing people at the speed limit.
We're known to get pulled over.
And then he always says in the warning that I was going 11 to 15 over the speed limit,
which even then a cop typically doesn't pull you over for that.
And I don't believe I was even going 11 over at the most.
So that was the end of the night essentially.
And then driving back home and then passing out like literally five in the morning.
And then just having a complete wash day of like sleeping till 2 p.m.
And yeah, dude, it was a whole.
Got done with it was like never ever doing that again.
Anything good come out of that day.
One positive thing.
Dude, I mean, it's nice to be with it's the initial drunk and pregame and meeting people
and hanging out and joking was fun.
And then after our five or six, I just give burnt out.
Unless you have drugs, your body only has so much room for activity.
And I worked out that day and I wake up at like seven in the morning.
So I've literally almost stayed up for 24 hours by the time it's 5 a.m. I'm going to bed.
It was just as an adult now and being 30.
I realize that if I don't really love something, I'm not going to do it.
Yeah.
And this is a thing that I tried.
So I guess in my defense, it was an attempt at something, but I need to strategize better.
And not make decisions more like, all right, I'm going to go to this thing.
I'm going to be up all night.
Everyone else is going to be on drugs.
I know if I'm being the DD in that scenario, you volunteer for that.
Throughout the night, it wasn't initially.
It was like, one of us is going to sober up and one of us is going to drive.
And after everyone took hard drugs, I was like, yeah, we're not going to risk that.
Yeah.
Because if they would have got pulled over, hold different stories.
They go to jail, car gets a maybe car doesn't get a pounded, but some bad happens.
So that was the experience in nutshell.
So what advice techno stuff show you, I'm going to show you some later so you can experience this thing with me.
I can't wait.
It's gonna be awesome.
Yeah.
So anyway, anything on your end before we dig into topics that you want to air out, talk about.
I had a wonderful week.
Good for you.
I mean, it sounded nice.
Yeah, family stuff hanging out, drinking, I imagine.
A little bit, a little drinking, a little boozing, talking to fam.
It's always a good time.
Yeah, you can't go wrong with that.
Okay, you ready?
What's it?
It's going to be crazy.
All right, starting off with the strong ass topic.
What is the longest time you've spent at a buffet?
And you know, I'll even give it.
You're pretty too, maybe.
No, too feels long.
I'm going to give you, I'm going to add something to this to make it potentially you could have a longer time.
Were you went to college the dining hall counts as a buffet, I would say.
Two tops.
I'm thinking.
I've spent, this is all a precursor to me explaining how crazy.
What I've done in college, what I used to smoke, a ton of lead.
There was like, you could go in for one meal swipe at breakfast and then you could stay through dinner and never have to leave.
And so we stayed one morning specifically where we just woke up like,
waking back MDR, which is the main dining room.
And so we just smoked, went there at 8 a.m., ate breakfast, sat there, just laughed for probably six hours.
And like when we made it into the time where they were about to serve dinner and we're like,
I'm hungry dude, because we ate lunch and breakfast and we're like,
you feel like such a pig.
You're just, you're really sitting there.
And that is the freest of days.
Yes, dude.
When you truly have nothing going on, a weekend in college,
where you just like, that sounds great.
Yeah, dude.
But at a certain point, you feel like a pig eating from a trough,
because you're just sitting in a room while people just bring you food and just your eyes fuck.
Yeah.
So, and then besides that, probably same with you though,
it's like going to an actual restaurant buffet, like a golden corral or...
Do you ever see these pizza?
Oh yeah.
That place fucking sucked.
Oh, it's gonna save a lot.
You like that one?
Yeah, I always remember the pizza being like, cheap as hell.
Yeah.
I remember going there and being like, a pizza buffet?
So excited.
Yeah.
So I'm like, a buffet.
How do these do they have the best brownies?
I don't even know if I had their brownies.
I just remember thinking the quality of pizza was gonna match an average pizza place.
And then realizing that, oh, the quality is sacrifice or quantity here.
Where you can eat as much as you want, but it's like,
it's like a frozen pizza level pizza.
It's not that great.
In my opinion.
Yeah.
That's how I remember it.
I just...
You can eat pizza.
It's fair.
Cause there was no other place like that.
I never been to a buffet for just pizza.
But there was this place China buffet in the suburb I grew up where I used to go and stay
for a considerable amount of time, which those always ruled.
But you...
I guess...
If you went to a buffet, Golden Corral, C.C.s, and you...
How long could you stay before they just kick you out?
Probably forever.
I mean, yeah.
You could probably just...
What do they kick people out?
I mean, that's the point of a buffet.
You always see your random stories about people eating too much and they get people out.
Really?
I guess.
I don't know if that's myth, but I've heard over the years every once in a while, it's like,
yeah, we went here.
I mean, six hours, they'd probably kick you out.
Outside of the...
Yeah, especially if someone's waiting on you, I think.
If it's just an open one, maybe not.
But typically they'll have someone bring you water or drinks or something like that.
So, I don't know.
I kind of want to try it.
But I also don't know, like, other than Golden Corral, what buffet is...
Eat three squirre meals at a Golden Corral?
Yeah.
We record the whole thing.
Podcasts for the whole thing.
Just get diabetes in a day.
Yeah.
Now, that's a podcast name.
Diabetes in a day.
You go to all the buffets around the United States, all over the world.
And you just a full day in the buffet.
How quickly you think you could get diabetes?
So, I have had that thought before.
I've had days where I'm like, I might get it today.
It probably not that long.
I give you two months of...
Like, a good example that movies supersize me a while ago.
Pretty sure the guy did it for two and a half months before.
He used it a pre-diabetic or diabetic.
And then also his organs, like his kidneys were shutting down.
Holy shit.
He was eating it.
I mean, dude, if you're eating McDonald's three meals a day, your body...
You're just putting garbage inside your body.
And you're telling your body to process it.
That'd be tough to do.
Like day three.
Dude, you...
Oh, God.
You would feel...
I mean, if you're relatively healthy and you started doing that,
you would feel so terrible.
It would be insane.
You'd probably hit a moment though where you kind of acclimate.
Hence why we can have people who are 600 pounds.
And they'd probably feel terrible, but it's not to the point where they decide not to.
So, I don't know.
Point being, if we point you in a lab,
and we just force fed you like big max for a month or two,
you'd probably get diabetes pretty quick.
You can also reverse...
There's cases of people reversing diabetes.
Like we talked about a while ago,
with whole food plant-based diet in two weeks,
they take all their insulin that they need down to zero.
Because I think there's like 20 some units in those studies.
In two-butter full diabetics.
Full diabetics.
Type two.
And in two weeks, completely not diabetics.
It's nice you can always get back.
Yeah, and quick for the most part.
The butt, dude, you move the obstacles out of the way.
Your body will heal itself.
It's meant to do that.
Until you die, it's just constantly trying to repair.
There's a...
There's a doctor out there who talks about...
Think of meals as an attempt...
Like if you're eating shitty food,
it'd be...
The analogy is if you had a wound on your knee,
and instead of letting it heal three times a day,
you just slam it into a table over and over.
That's essentially what you're doing with a meal.
So you can either stop doing that,
and it just heals,
or you just continue to just bash and bash and bash until...
It turns malignant, or it turns infected, or...
Yeah.
And it's true, man.
Does she stop crushing PB&Js?
No, those are good for you, dude.
I mean, if you're eating...
If you're eating wonder bread,
and you're eating just like extremely processed jelly,
and I mean also, there's a lot of factors here in terms of...
If you went the whole food route in terms of holy bread,
you get peanut butter that doesn't have a ton of palm oil in it,
which is just so much extra saturated fat,
which just spikes your cholesterol, not good for you.
And then...
The jelly.
I mean, if you get like whole...
There's no J, that's good for you.
You could probably get some like...
Whole-fruit preserves that are literally just...
It's just nothing added but the fruit.
That'd be okay, because it's just fruit.
Well, isn't juice bad for you?
Like, it's just pure sugar pretty much.
That's because the fiber...
All of the fibers extracted from it.
That's jelly too, though, isn't it?
No.
I mean, I guess...
I assumed whole-fruit preserves like...
It is still the plant pulverized into jelly.
Same with like a smoothie.
Smoothies are good for you as opposed to juice.
Because it has the fiber and all the things that come with the fruit
or the vegetable, whatever you're putting in it.
That's the major difference.
Is that you're essentially extracting with juice the sugar
out of the thing, but blending it or pulverizing it.
You still have all of the plant.
It's just changing shape.
Yeah.
So, I mean, peanut butter jelly in general...
Better for you than most foods if you eat it in the whole way.
But, wonder, bread's pretty awesome.
And, Skippy Peanut Butter kicks a lot of ass.
But, who knows?
Alright.
Off of the buffet onto...
Out of all the animals?
Giraffe.
Okay, you need to get off of this.
You're addicted to giraffes and fighting them.
But, are there any instances, which this is a wide open question?
Probably none of us will have the answer for.
Where other animals have pets?
Where they like...
They care for another animal.
Don't guerrillas do that?
I don't know.
What do they do?
I feel like there's like a guerrilla and a cat story.
Oh, like a guerrilla.
Like cocoa, the signing guerrilla or something like that?
Could be.
And it gets like really sad when the cat dies or something.
That sounds very familiar.
Yeah.
But, they're so close to us.
So, maybe that is the only exception that primates do that?
Like, could I find a dolphin that has a pet like fish?
The dolphins are smart too.
So, I'm saying.
Could it just be like, yo, this fish raising it?
It's just mine now.
Probably not.
And, like, you ever hear those...
I don't know where these studies come from,
but when they'll talk about how like elephants view people as...
How we view puppies.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know how they...
It's like the brain signals or something.
I guess they just red...
Like, it lights up the same way that our brain lights up.
But then, do we...
Which is like the most...
Do we really know...
Yeah.
It could be anger.
And it just represents itself differently.
Or it's like, fuck this fucking thing.
But, I guess we don't see a lot of them in the wild though.
Like, because...
What...
Where does this come from?
Such a thought?
Yeah.
And more specifically, I think it comes from like the...
As humans, we don't have to worry about survival as much as like a wild animal.
So there's not room for like...
Like pets to us...
A board.
We need something.
Yeah. And there's not really a like...
Survival mechanic to having a dog.
Or in the wild, supporting another animal to just support it.
Hunting dog.
No, I...
But that's for recreation right now.
Most people, it would be for recreation.
For now, yes.
Yeah.
But like another animal in the wild, supporting another animal, not its species.
But provide no utility.
Exactly.
The emotional support.
Which how...
That's why we do it, right?
Yeah.
But we don't...
It's not life or death for us.
You could make an argument.
Maybe not life or death, but like...
It's an important piece.
I think it...
It can...
It can...
I think it's like it can be thought of as a supplement.
To a good life.
Or it can be...
It can be a nice thing.
But there's core things it does not replace, right?
Food, water, security.
Like...
We're in the wild.
If you don't have those you die.
I'm playing Devils Advocate.
Sure.
I think emotional health is one of those core pillars.
For...
Yeah.
But like you could say the same thing about like having people in your life.
But I don't think it's as absolute as not having the other ones.
Or it's...
It's almost guaranteed if you don't have food, water, or shelter.
You're going to die.
Yeah.
The emotional one.
You can be in a pretty terrible emotional state.
Some could argue suicidal and still be alive.
You ever seen a loan?
No, I've heard so many things about that show.
That's where they just walk out.
They're not naked in that one, right?
Because that's naked and frail.
No, I'm not.
But I've heard a loan is fantastic.
It's interesting.
It plays to this point a lot.
Because most of the people...
A lot of people drop out because they can't find food.
Sure.
In the early rounds.
But the people who make it deep.
Yeah.
They drop out because they're lonely.
It's a very well-named show.
Because it's amazing that that's the limiting factor.
They can't take it anymore.
That's fair.
And not, dude, totally buy into that.
Hence why solitary and fibers can consider one of the worst punishments.
But my point is that those people, if they didn't have the option of going...
Oh, it's a wall.
They didn't have the option of going and joining back humanity.
Like they do in the loan.
They wouldn't die from loneliness.
Most likely.
They would continue to survive.
That was just how they existed.
Right.
I don't know how many instances there are.
People truly dying of loneliness.
Other than taking their own life.
They could be hard to quantify.
You could just give up.
It can be like I just...
I can't believe it.
But I don't think the body just...
I don't know if you could will yourself dead.
But when that will yourself dead.
But it takes energy to get up and go find food and keep pushing.
Sure.
I see what you're saying.
So wait, that keeps you down to where you can't even do the physical things
that sustains the physical sense.
Also like terminally ill patients.
There's definitely an emotional component that keeps some people going.
Yeah.
Maybe not terminally.
But like seriously ill people.
Right.
I mean...
That can change your whole...
I think fighting a disease is a very real thing.
It's not just purely waiting for the disease and the doctors to heal you.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I...
Yeah.
I mean, it's...
I don't want to...
This is going to get into maybe...
Not pseudo science, but I fully buy into that.
A lot of our medicine today.
And there's facts around this.
But Western medicine in general is for acute treatment.
So meaning that if you get a broken arm, we're great at fixing that.
You need heart surgery.
Great at that.
But if you have depression or you have any chronic illness relatively,
we're so bad at treating.
Because all we do is make drugs.
Yeah.
We go...
Here you go.
And then that gives you a bunch of side effects.
I mean, if you a drug for the side effects, and then before you know it, you're on six drugs,
to mask all these things.
And you don't fix your lifestyle.
Most of those chronic things that the high majority of Americans die from,
heart disease, type 2 diabetes, cancer, are lifestyle diseases.
They're not...
They're not things that we can just fix with manipulation for the most part.
And it's...
Yeah.
In terms of fighting disease, that's where it's like...
This is a tangent, of course.
But I wish that that was more talked about.
Yeah.
So I don't know if you've been in a hospital.
Root cause.
Oh my God, dude.
No one talks about that stuff.
And granted, doctors have no time.
I mean, you go and send a doctor's office.
They have 30 patients a day.
They get 10 minutes with you.
It's impossible to like do anything else than throw a drug at you.
And go like, we know this kind of works for that.
Have at it.
And just exist.
So...
Anyway, that took a turn.
Yeah.
What were we talking about?
Oh, pets?
Animals having pets.
Which I don't know how that links to what I'm talking about.
But I'd like to see more instances of it.
It's interesting, though.
It's like, how much value do pets provide us?
It's hard to quantify.
Yeah.
And it has to vary massively per person.
Cause like, like I told you, took care of my parents dog for a week.
And I was like, I can't fucking do that.
It's going to be on more than four trees out of this world.
Can I have the opposite effect, too?
You hate the pet.
You want to get rid of it.
Yeah.
Which then I would feel that's the other thing.
I'd feel so guilty, too.
If I got a dog, and then I was like, I got to get rid of it.
I couldn't because I'd be so guilty.
And then I'm in this weird vicious cycle of, I hate the dog.
I hate the strong word.
I think I could ever hate a dog.
But I'm annoyed with having to be responsible for this thing that I have now bought into.
And I was like, people who buy birds don't realize they live for like 15 years.
Oh, why would you, a bird's a strange one for me?
I feel like, and this is, here's a whole lot.
Here's a pet peeve before I know we're early into this.
But having an animal that you can't really interact with in any way.
Oh, parents talk.
Yeah, but then you get most interaction you can have.
I don't know about that.
Speaking in your language.
Nice.
So kind of a play on words and the truth, truth at the same time.
Yamachinius.
Fuck.
Goddamn.
Labor Day has changed you.
Like a snake is a great example for me.
I guess you can have, but a has on snakes.
Yeah, I mean, I'm terrified of them in general.
So that's a, I'm biased in this example.
But how about like a guinea pig or a gerbil or a rabbit?
It's, it's not, they don't, in my experience,
and taking care of friends, pets, and house sitting,
and they don't want anything to do with you.
They'll maybe chill by you.
Maybe, I don't know about cats, dude.
Now, see, that's the opposite for me.
We've gone over this.
I grew up there.
They're more, they're as affection as dogs are in my experience of living with them,
which I was, didn't think so until I had them.
But, and I worked at a doggy daycare for five years,
and they're cats and dogs I understand.
But the other ones, I'm like, why do you have this thing?
Then you think of the, like a lizard.
Yeah, like what, what are we doing with it?
It sits in its terrarium?
I feel like it turns into like, I feel this way about fish, like,
I mean, that's an extreme one.
I mean, it's a lot of terrariums.
Yeah.
I feel like it turns into like an art piece at that point,
which I think is kind of cool.
Yeah.
And I, yeah.
Lizards like a weird in between.
It's not really fun to look at.
And they don't move.
Yeah. And to each his own, if you want to get a fucking lizard,
have a fucking blast.
But I had my mind blown many times where I come over to someone's place
and they have a turtle.
I'm like, wow.
What do you do with it?
And it smells so weird.
They used to have frogs.
They were pretty cool.
Really?
Yeah.
They jump around.
The pain in the ass was the crickets.
You had to feed them live crickets.
Yeah.
Escape.
Get them out.
You essentially play God by feeding something live to that.
Yeah.
I enjoyed it.
Got a real power trip from it.
Yeah.
You were essentially a state trooper at this point.
Yeah.
I mean, I had hermit crabs growing up fish where I'm like,
I don't know, it's just weird.
Yeah.
You look at, he's like, what?
Especially the hermit crab.
When they die, they fall out of their shells.
They hate their shells.
No, I wasn't a mom.
Why do people do that shit?
I feel like that's along the art piece of it.
This is using a live thing as art.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, man.
You can, I did not.
The best part is the shells.
It's the weird.
You can paint the shells.
It's an empty canvas.
Yeah.
I'm not disagreeing that you can't do it.
Or I agree you can.
That's like painting your dog's toenails to me.
Or I'm like, that'd be hilarious.
What did it be?
I would, I'd feel bad about that.
Yeah.
I'd look at my crabs.
I just can't really think though.
Oh, nice.
It's alive.
It's alive.
And then you're exploding to paint fumes.
It's a crustacean, buddy.
Yeah.
Come on.
I mean, they are sea spiders, essentially.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But whenever those things would die, because we went through multiple of them, they just, after
like half a year, they just crap out.
They come out of their shell and they look terrifying.
It's disgusting.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
Just as like literally a look so much better in the shell.
Yes.
They need to stay in their shell.
Yeah.
So yeah.
This is a little bit off the point.
We're going to go on to the next day.
Animals as pets got way too far.
This is a short one.
It's not much to talk about, but it's interesting.
I never know.
All right.
Monodontia, aka Tombstone Teeth.
It's rare, but there'll be situations where people will have one giant tooth as their
tooth on both the upper end.
They're like that?
Yeah.
And it just grows in like that.
It's a picture for it.
It looks so weird.
Is it like curved along?
Yeah.
It looks like how your teeth are set up, but it's a message to one big bar.
Like a big use together?
Yeah.
It's just a big U on both.
Dang.
It looks so fucking weird.
So they have like a giant baby tooth that they just rip out of their mouth and then a new
one comes in?
That's a good question.
I don't know what that process looks like.
Like a horseshoe?
Yeah.
It's essentially a horseshoe in your mouth.
It looks fucking, once again, looking at pictures being like, oh, God.
Feeling, whoever has them.
I'm sorry.
But it's initially looks like something out of a horror movie that someone like made
as a prop for some scary thing.
Why is it called Toomstone Teeth?
Because it's like a full stone.
Like the shape of a tombstone.
Like you know, like just kind of a curved, big one piece.
Yeah.
I mean, scientifically monodontia, but they called it Toomstone Teeth.
Talk about getting them.
I just, I don't know if that would change my life.
Outside of like people being put off by it.
It looks weird enough.
Trust me.
Yeah.
No, but I'm saying like utility wise.
Oh, yeah.
You could just chew with the same.
Yeah.
I don't know if the edges are dulled down.
You don't have to floss.
That's a pro.
Yeah.
For sure.
What other pros would there be having just one big piece?
It'd be so easy to brush.
But if you get, I wonder if like, if you get an infection, if it just infects the whole thing,
like a root canal or something like that where it just affects like so much of it,
is it just one bundle of nerves as opposed to like tooth nerve, tooth nerve, tooth nerve?
Oh, yeah.
Could be fucked in that way.
Do people with that keep it?
Or do they like get a remove to get douchers?
I don't know.
Oh, dude, getting that remove would be...
That'd be like getting all of your teeth removed?
Deep sleep.
Oh, but the recovery of that.
A little bit.
Oh my god.
I've never had a root canal.
No.
Same.
I have my wisdom teeth out.
Okay.
I've had that.
But that was like...
That hurt pretty bad.
It was like a dare.
I mean, they give me painkillers and then it was fine.
But imagine having all of them take it out every single toothy.
Not that'd be horrible.
Yeah.
I don't even know how you manage that too because there's so much moisture.
It's just all this open wound.
What happens?
Oh.
God, bad stuff.
We're moving on.
Dude, fuck that.
Uh.
Did you have anything like...
To say about that or you're just bringing it up?
Man, I just bring it up.
I mean, no, it's interesting.
I don't know.
I mean, I've...
I've obviously never seen someone in person with it.
I've read about it and was looking at pictures of people with it.
And you know, it's all old-timey pictures.
I don't want to see that.
Yeah, it's interesting, for sure.
Enough to be like, whoa.
Oh.
It's not cool.
It's all I'm looking for.
Weird stuff to do.
Dude, I have a lot.
If you want to see weird stuff,
I've got a lot of stuff that I can send your way.
Uh.
I don't know.
Okay.
This is more of just a surprise thing.
And I don't mean...
This might come off as...
Oh, fuck.
It's not mean.
It just...
I've never seen an old person with Down syndrome.
And I saw...
Oh.
I thought this was going to be directed at me.
It's like, no.
Oh, Jesus.
Who's going to bully you?
They're seeing an old person with Down syndrome until you.
Um.
10 years from now.
Have you ever seen an...
Like a geriatric Down person's...
Down syndrome person?
Jesus.
Can't talk.
I don't think so.
I didn't...
This is going to sound pretty bad.
I thought...
I didn't...
I never have known the lifespan of a Down syndrome person.
I just assumed it was not...
Is it shorter?
I just assumed so because I've never seen an elderly person with Down syndrome.
Ever.
Until a video I saw,
of one like, seen a Batman cosplay guy, and freaking out.
And be like,
I'm not going to imitate that.
I was about to.
He saw a Batman.
Yeah.
Super excited.
And I was like, but he was like a 60 year old Down syndrome.
Like full grade out old man with Down syndrome.
I was like, whoa.
Nice.
What percentage of people have Down syndrome?
Oh, it's super low.
It's got to be less than 1%.
But enough to word, I mean, I've seen people in person that it would have Down syndrome.
But they're always like, you know,
either really young or in their 20s.
Maybe 30.
Yeah.
Nothing past that.
Ever.
I wonder...
Another interesting question.
This is...
I saw and I was like, whoa.
I thought...
I have never seen that.
Yeah.
It's also you saw...
What's his face?
Cheeseburger special.
Right?
Oh, yeah.
You're Santino.
Yeah.
His closing joke was basically...
I didn't make it closer.
I didn't make it closer.
I got maybe...
I got to the Joe Biden Kamala thing where he's going to go down...
Like Kamala's trying to get...
I got maybe 30, 40 minutes in.
So I think it's just a closer.
The closing joke was...
Oh, I don't remember how he set up, but basically he's saying like,
I've never seen a non-white Down syndrome person.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
Uh-oh.
Really open up a can of worms here.
I know.
That's...
I haven't.
That's crazy.
What...
Why is that?
It was probably the only part in the special where I laughed
because it was just so unexpected.
And he threw it in offhand.
He's like, yeah, they're always white.
I was like, huh.
Okay.
There's two angles to this.
We cut this.
Yes.
This mic had cut.
But I think there's...
First angle.
There's something with the inbreeding of whites that's just causing it to happen.
Like...
How are deep dive in here?
There's so much not inbreeding, but whites are more prone to that deficiency,
which I think is an extra chromosome causes it, I believe.
Wait, we're more prone to what?
To that genetic defect because of like white people sleeping with white people over
a generation.
Just like if you inbreed within your family, you're more likely to produce someone with
a genetic defect.
So maybe it's more...
Why do you think white people inbreed more?
No, I don't think they do.
I'm thinking that might be a cut.
Maybe it's white people are having more sex inner racially.
See, that doesn't make sense.
The second one's a lot darker, my point, which might be cut.
But other cultures just don't accept it.
Yeah.
Just go.
So no toss that, which you would know when it's...
Like, it looks different from...
Can you tell that early?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you...
I'm pretty sure you...
The facial structure is just different than ours.
Hence why they look different as they grow older too.
But then it, dude, we got to find this out.
I got...
I mean...
Yeah, I've never seen one that's not white.
Yeah.
They're always white.
It's a crazy observation.
It's very strange.
All right, well anyway.
I don't know where to go from here.
Because I've never...
I have nothing to add, other than I want to know.
I mean, I'm gonna search things after this.
You have to.
Yeah.
We're gonna do it immediately after this podcast.
We both need to see that.
All right.
I don't remember if we talked about this one,
but I think maybe I mentioned to you.
But I want to go a while ago,
didn't go see Oppenheimer.
I was gonna go see Oppenheimer.
So I was looking at theater seats
and just saw that most of the theater was taken.
And then the full front two rows were open,
except for the center, very front row,
at the iMacs Oppenheimer.
Which means there's some guy just...
The screen has to be...
Which goes that of all seats.
How...
What is that experience like?
Does sound the angle of the neck?
You can't even see all of the screen.
The screen's like 50 feet tall and wide.
Yeah.
The guy's just right in front of it.
There's some loud parts too.
Probably a techno fan.
Dude, when you said that,
think about the bass.
Yeah.
I literally thought about Oppenheimer.
I liked Oppenheimer,
but the background music was so damn loud.
Yeah.
I could barely hear it.
Which is something like conversation.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
When those things happen,
whether it be in the theater,
whether it be at a festival,
how was none of the people who designed,
whether it be the movie,
the theater, the festival stage,
the hundreds of sounded engineers
who produced all of these things that...
This was a brand new movie theater.
It had like a grand opening two weeks before it saw it.
See, how do they not...
They don't know that's gonna happen?
Dude, I just...
Who signs off on these things and goes,
yeah, that's okay.
I don't know.
I mean, yeah, everyone I was with agreed.
Yeah.
A lot of the words were muffled
and the background music was too loud.
But I don't know if that was just us.
See, when there's...
You're like, when there's people must've felt the same.
Yeah.
I don't know who fucking knows,
but it...
Frontsy, Guide Oppenheimer made me laugh though.
Yeah.
It would also be hilarious to just get the scene next to him
as a single...
Yeah.
You're a random person.
So you just reserve the scene right next to him.
You're like, you ready for this?
Lock in.
It's gonna be a wild ride.
Uh...
Okay.
Oh, okay, this is stupid.
What do you got?
Do you wanna talk about aliens?
Let's do that.
Let's talk a little bit about aliens.
Have we talked about it on the podcast?
No, because last one we were...
We got all the way through and then I was like,
oh, fuck, aliens.
Okay.
Let me hear your take.
All right.
Back story of the alien stuff that's...
Happened.
Quick, yeah.
Uh...
Top...
Air Force guy.
David Kuresh, I think his name was testifying to Congress about...
A bunch of stuff about aliens involving the government.
Are they here?
What are all these instances that all these naval pilots are seeing in the sky?
And the Air Force seeing this guy?
Those...
The government have...
Alien ships, have they recovered anything?
Have they recovered pilots?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
The list goes on and on.
I've just like...
All these crazy topics that are...
All kind of...
Have been brushed over in my opinion by most people.
You bring it up.
A lot of people don't even know what I'm talking about.
They're like...
They think I'm crazy.
Because it sounds like...
UFO conspiracy stuff.
And it's...
Testifying in front of Congress stuff.
Under oath from a high ranking military...
Professional.
So it's...
Well...
The interesting thing about it, I think.
Yeah.
There is a conspiracy one way or another.
Like no matter how you look at it.
What do you mean?
I mean, because his claims are that the government has been covering this thing up for years.
Sure.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's either that's the conspiracy or he's just lying with other people under oath.
Yeah.
What else would be a conspiracy?
And so...
The...
That's a dress point to you brought up first.
Okay.
Because...
This guy...
Was it...
Um...
I see, leading up to this, there have been accounts.
There was a naval pilots who had testified in Congress maybe six or so years ago about...
Them seeing these things and have to strategize their...
Military theater rehearsal that they do every day off these aircraft.
Around these things.
Because they were getting so close they were scared.
Because I forgot the guy's name, but he was...
His job was safety as one of the naval pilots.
Yeah.
So like, he has to figure out ways to avoid these things.
Right.
And it's apparently a common problem that he found from other naval pilots at other bases.
So common, it's in their daily brief.
Correct.
So that was like the precursor to all this and there was a video that they had found that showed this...
Thing that had like shot all the water and shot back at insane speeds.
And then amongst that, there's been commercial pilots talking about like, oh, we see this stuff all the time.
But we don't report it because there's no safe way to say you saw a UFO.
You'll lose your job.
You're like, you're a crazy person.
You're talking about UFOs.
No.
Yeah.
So, but now there was some act that got passed that protects anyone from talking about this of being...
I don't know, prosecutors of word, but that you can't lose your job or you can't be sued by a company like...
If you're a commercial pilot or in the military.
Because a lot of people in the military, if they start talking about this stuff, they'll just get what go from the military.
Right.
Prior.
So that leads up to this David Grash guy testifying and essentially what he said is, yes, since the 1930s, we've been collecting crashed alien pilots.
And I don't know if they call me UAPs at this point, no longer UFOs, purely because of the stigma.
Identified aerial phenomena.
Yeah, purely because of the stigma behind UFO, which is kind of silly.
We also have a better name, I think.
Flying object is kind of silly.
Yeah, it's definitely...
At the end of the day for me, there were words that are describing this.
It's the same thing.
Yeah, and I'm like, it's fine to me that UFO has got so brandy, it has like the crazy person thing that they have to choose a different acronym for essentially what we think are aliens.
So he testified that we have that and the one that got me is they asked him if we have pilots from these ships because they're crashed.
So you figure there's probably pilots and he said we've we have non-human biologics is what his words are.
It's weird for me.
It's a weird one, but it makes a hair stand up a little bit of like, we got something that's not us, which is it just not being human.
Is the biggest, okay, it's not a monkey could be a penguin.
Be awesome.
Yeah, space penguins would be pretty cool.
I mean, they're coming here, they can fly space ships now.
With their like, it would be hilarious.
It's the whole time.
They're just chilling an ant already.
Oh, I see.
So they have been able to fly.
It's not like an elite level penguin that has transcended or a penguin.
They're secretly the smartest species on the point.
I do love how they are water birds and are pure not only we know they can serve.
Yes, absolutely.
I've seen the fucking movie surfs up.
But think about to think that the penguin, which is a bird, which can't already do what its entire
class of species is supposed to do fly.
They can't fly.
It's so insecure.
And so it goes under water and then on land, it's pretty useless.
This thing that is pure is really meant for its build for it.
I'm going to find a way to fly.
Yeah, so they just have progressed themselves to space ships.
They've gotten so good with space technology that they're like, yeah, fuck all you.
And then one crash one day, they're like, fuck.
Now the humans found one of us.
Anyway, this guy testifies this stuff comes out.
So he's under oath.
And this, I'm going to go back to your point now of the conspiracy of
this military official going on the stand under oath and going.
This, here's these things that I either seen or I have intelligence on and I know about these things.
What, what incentive is there to lie under oath?
You could do it.
You go to prison to literally just be like, this is what I saw.
He could never do that and continue to be the strongest case for him telling the truth.
Other than just fame, I mean, he is famous.
He's world famous now.
Yeah, but what does that get you other than?
I don't know.
You never, some people that that's everything.
Sure.
Yeah.
I said that about Bob Lazar to the guy who's been doing this for years.
Yeah, but Bob Lazar never testified against Congress.
That's a level extreme.
That's a level of, if you purge yourself, you're going to prison.
You're in a federal court.
It's very weird.
I watch the whole hearing.
Yeah.
It's weird how much of a disconnect there supposedly is.
I think there is between the Pentagon and Congress.
Okay.
And because if he was lying, the Pentagon would come out, the Pentagon has come out and said,
all this is false.
Yeah.
So then what?
Like, who's job is it to say he's telling the truth or not?
Well, that was I think the government.
So say there's no chance that the Pentagon would go, oh, yeah, he's right.
Because then that would admit, the government would then be admitting that we're keeping this up from you.
So there, there would never be a situation where a guy, unless there was extremely damning evidence, pictures of the president shaking hands with aliens.
I'm with you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They would never go.
Yeah.
So the Pentagon saying no.
So now, like that's one person saying he's purging himself.
Who do we try this person?
Like, basically, what I'm trying to figure out is the incentive actually as grave as it sounds?
Like, will he face purgeery if he's lying?
I don't, it depends how much rifer effort causes for the government, I guess.
But the stakes are high when you're doing that.
Yeah.
Regardless of if someone's going to any whistleblower, so to speak, is right.
Because it, yeah, I don't know.
It's one of those things that I think the stakes are high enough to where I lean towards the side of this guy's telling the truth on.
And he, maybe he believes something that's not that, maybe he might not know.
Sure.
He might have seen something that he thinks was an alien or a spaceship.
And it's just incorrect.
But he's also someone who was high up in the military who's, he's not a crazy person to, to his, his military career all the way up to where he is now.
So, yeah.
All the signs suggest that this is a coherent person that is choosing against all the signs that should say, if you're lying, don't do this.
The risk is huge and he's still doing it.
And my brain goes, there's some truth to what he's saying.
Something's going on unless he's from the government or the agency that is, you know, the pentagon, I guess it would be, the pentagon could be in on it.
We're getting into all the theories here.
But my original take, so there's a three people on the stand, right?
Yes.
The two pilots who basically recount what they've seen.
Those are crazy. Those are the craziest parts.
Yeah.
Because they actually describe in detail what they saw.
Yeah.
And they seem truthful.
In my opinion, I don't know, but...
Sure.
...the middle guy kind of smells like bullshit.
Just the way he talks, anytime they ask him a direct question, he's like, I can't answer that.
And he's a lot of mention of like a skiff, which is like a secure room where he can apparently answer all the questions.
Okay.
They ask him, like, everything he diverts, he's like, let's go in a skiff.
Yeah.
And I'll tell you, and like, Congress doesn't have clearance for a skiff, so it'll just never be answered.
Gotcha.
Yeah, I...
I don't know.
I don't know either.
But to your point, it's...
It's certainly interesting.
Yeah.
And something's going on.
Something's going on.
We don't know exactly what it is.
No matter how you look at it, something weird's happening.
Yeah. And so it...
It's crazy, though.
So I think I mentioned to you, I heard this conversation with my dad about this, who's very skeptical and logical person has been all his life.
In a good way, I would argue.
And he got behind it.
Yeah.
After showing him stuff, he's like, something's going on.
And then...
Yes.
And then to his point, he's like, this has happened so many times in the history of...
Since he's been alive with our government, where something happens, and then the government starts trickling us information about the thing later.
Well, that gets to the point of, like, he could be part of it.
The trickle...
David Grush.
Sure.
Sure, they're like, we're going to tell them about aliens now, even though we've had them for 50 years.
But it's...
It's okay enough now, where we can start to bring them up to speed slowly.
And so...
But to hear my dad say that, I was like, I didn't even think about that.
Yeah.
Because I was like, oh, that's fucking...
Like, you know about, like, Operation Paperclip, where we hired a bunch of Nazis to run our space programs, or MK Ultra, where they're actively testing LSD on tons of people, Charles Manson was involved.
It's fucking...
And these are all now declassified things that the government was doing, that they're like, oh yeah, yeah.
We did all that.
It's funny enough, time passes, and you're like, so...
So, you're some crazy shit.
Yeah, dude.
And they're like, we were doing some crazy shit back in the 70s.
And now, the alien stuff is probably becoming that.
And to hear my dad once again go, yeah, they're going to tell us about something, but they're not...
We're not going to know the full picture for a while, because it'll be such a big shock to the common public.
Like, if they dropped the MK Ultra stuff or Operation Paperclip stuff, at the time they were doing it, that would be...
People would lose their shit.
If post-war war two, they're like, yeah, we hired a bunch of Nazis to run our space program.
Yeah.
The American public wouldn't...
That's crazy, then, aliens, to be honest.
Yeah, I mean, they're smart people.
I mean, they made some of the most efficient tanks in all the wars.
Yeah.
So...
I don't know, man.
What we'll see is time progresses and talking about this too...
And some people just don't want to hear it.
My brother was like, I got bigger problems, dude.
Literally, I'm like, all right.
He does need one to entertain the idea.
My mom's like...
My mom's on the side of this guy probably saw something, doesn't know what it is, thinks it's aliens.
Yeah.
And I could tell that they don't want to even entertain the thought of, oh, there could be something going on that could really drastically change our entire lives.
Yeah.
Which, to each his own, no judgment on either side, but I get frustrated when people are just like, nah.
I have like partial that's because it's not gonna...
I'm kind of like, yeah, we'll see.
We'll just wait and see if it happens.
It's not like freaking me out, really?
No, no, no.
It's more like...
The idea that it could be something...
It feels more exciting than anything.
Yeah.
Because if whatever it is, it's not terminal for the human race.
Yeah.
Because we're not...
If it's if they know about it and whatever it is, we're not dead, we're not dying, there's no imminent threat.
So it has to be something cool, relatively, whether it be like advanced space tack or something that...
Dude, in that David Greshkite at some point says they're interdimensional beings on the stand.
For sure he used those words.
He said that was like one of the theories.
Yeah, they could like move in spaces that we can't or something like that.
Yeah, he gets analogy of like we cast a shadow.
Yeah.
Like three entity dimensions, like maybe they're from a higher dimension casting a shadow.
Yeah.
So something like that.
I don't know.
He just...
He also said...
He claimed he had heard stories of aliens killing and hurting people.
Oh yeah, that's not good.
Yeah, that's bad.
That's pretty bad.
I get it.
Well, I mean, you want to talk...
Go to the conspiracy side of the whole like trope of them abducting cows or people.
And the whole...
I mean, once again, this could all just be fake.
But there's...
We've talked about this.
If you go on the internet, you look up just accounts of people being abducted or anal probes or it.
There's a consistent story with people all over the planet and it's eerie at the least.
Where it's like...
How are there that many...
Yeah, and same occurrence.
Where it's like it's so closely aligned with what someone on the other side of the world experienced many times.
The whole raising humans as cattle.
I mean, that sounds like a thing that that would be under that umbrella of like...
Now we'll take one, we'll give it a GPS chip and we'll see where it goes and track it for the rest of its life.
Which could just be observation...
It's not just salmon.
Oh my god.
And then...
What's that?
Do they tag salmon?
Oh yeah, I guess they do.
Yeah.
Because they track them.
So yeah, I don't know.
I lean towards that.
I'm excited about it.
Yeah.
Or I'm like, dude, it could be awesome.
I'm more excited about the technology.
Yeah.
Like an alien.
Or we just do...
Not a big part, but there's a part of me that...
...things that a lot of where we are now in technology is because of something like that.
Because aliens.
Something we found.
Yeah.
What else could explain this boom of like...
Humans have existed for a long, long, long, long time.
Relative to our lives.
Yeah.
And then suddenly, in the past 100 years...
...unforeseeable things.
I mean, electricity was huge.
When we figured that out, it's off to the races.
Yeah.
But like, where does human just start sprouting that thought?
Why does that...
Whatever that is that caused all of those things happen in the past 150 years.
As opposed to the thousands and thousands of the same human biology.
Nothing has really changed biologically.
It was just suddenly.
We're like, oh yeah, we can just start using electricity.
The industrial revolution.
I think it's just people building off of the generations before them.
And then all of a sudden, like once we have all these building blocks,
you can just exponentially rise.
So like whoever figured out the relationship between magnetism and electricity...
Yeah.
...creates motors, it's like holy shit.
We can do so much now that one person figures out and looks like, hold on.
But I'm saying why...
It's like AI happening right now.
It's like we're starting to use it with applications.
And it'll just be a building block.
And then we can all do crazy shit.
I'm on board.
But I'm saying, go 10,000 years back.
The difference of technology between 5,000 BC and I don't know, 1,000 BC.
Yeah.
Not that different.
It's just saying it's like baby steps until all of a sudden.
Like steps not even close to what is happening now in the past 100 years.
Not nowhere.
We're talking spears and swords.
For most of...
And swords were advanced.
The forging of steel was like, whoa.
Yeah.
This shit's fucking crazy.
And then suddenly iPhones.
Like dude, the math doesn't make sense in my head.
And then once again, this is big conspiracy stuff.
But I have a feeling something else just like how we spread from ape.
Like the same thing might have just clicked with us at some point in the past 150 years.
Whether it be through something.
Do you think like in human existence something gave us something?
Yeah.
Otherwise I don't...
The numbers don't add up.
Not your name.
If it was, it would be magnets.
Magnets are just fucking crazy.
It's pretty nuts.
There's also a dude.
And they create electricity.
Yeah.
Which is bananas.
Well no, they're magnets.
What?
I've got...
Alright.
I think we've covered aliens.
I don't have anything else about them other than they might be here.
It could be good.
It could be bad.
We could have some good times with them.
We could be out with them.
They'd be hot, dude.
Be crazy.
If they can get here, they have things that...
They could...
Best add in the land.
I can show you the world.
That's what the aliens would be saying to us all the time.
Magic carpet.
It would change our existence.
If they decided to be like, come along.
Everything would change.
Take me to another planet.
What would you do?
If they...
I'd go with them.
Alien goes...
But like, you don't...
Other than it's saying you can come with me.
Am I the first in the human race?
You don't know.
Oh, alien comes to you.
I was like, I ain't gonna show you the whole galaxy, dude.
I would trust him implicitly.
Stranger danger was never taught to you, obviously.
I'm going with you.
I'm not for aliens.
They never covered aliens.
Realistically, I don't think I could.
I'd be so scared, honestly.
It's a once in a lifetime chance.
Yeah, but leave everything here.
I think the rules.
Yeah.
Like, my life is so awesome.
It's cool enough to be like, I'm gonna die soon.
I guess this...
I got maybe 50 good years left on this planet.
I don't know, man.
You can take me to another galaxy.
What's that gonna do?
It's a miss all my family, friends.
Yeah, you don't get to tell anyone about it.
No.
But it could be so great bit.
What if you get to go and you can tell one friend?
You can communicate everything to one friend.
Like, consistently.
No matter what happens.
So they could be taking you to just fucking kill you.
But you can communicate that to your friend before you die.
Can tell him what you saw.
I'm about to get raped by an alien.
Just wanted to tell you.
I mean, you're a legend.
You're immortalized.
You'll be told at Frat Parius from beginning to end of time.
Yeah.
No.
People wouldn't believe your friend.
No, it's not at all.
It's probably happened to someone and we're just choosing to not believe them.
Because I mean, the abductions, most people are like, yeah, crazy dude.
She didn't get provoked by a fucking alien.
That's brutal if they actually got abducted.
Yeah.
If someone believes them, they probably don't even believe themselves.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, what are you supposed to do?
If you do get abducted and they drop you back off, what do you do?
I would tell you immediately.
Yeah.
I mean, I'd be like, we got a podcast right now.
That's some crazy shit just attitude.
I have a large piece of metal inside me right now.
I do that.
It's weird to because of someone who's a friend came to you, who's a rational person now.
I'd be more willing to, like if you came and was like, dude, I know this sounds crazy.
But I was abducted last night.
I would have to hear you out.
You would hear me out.
Absolutely.
I think you would think I'm crazy though.
I don't do it, but all the evidence suggests otherwise of me knowing you.
It would be, it's crazy to think that you'd be lying to me at this point.
Yeah.
That were, you don't know me, dude.
I could have a double wife.
True.
You could be just, it could be a crazy comment.
Telling people you got abducted by any aliens as your con would no pay off.
No, my con is just like an average, Milwaukee lifestyle.
What are you getting the pit?
What is the con?
I'm doing other shit.
Okay.
Here we go.
Breaking drafts next.
We're going to skiff.
I'll tell you all.
Okay, dude.
All right.
Moving on from aliens.
All right.
We've cashed that in.
All right.
Small thing, but I thought it was fine because I see it every goddamn day.
YouTube.
There's this fucking commercial flowing around.
That's a, I don't even know what it's for at this point, but it's, it's like this kind of
epic vibe where it's like, forget everything you know.
Forget the people who like told you you were wrong.
Forget, but it's like leading up to, I think it's for like Nike shoes or something like that.
I'd be like, forget.
Essentially, it's like the...
The sonier family.
That's why I'm going with this where it's like, it just sounds like you're stripping a
person of everything they have.
Forget your name, your social security number, everyone you love.
It's just like, it says everyone you know what to say if that dude.
But it lists like seven things before it gets to the product, but it's just, it's almost
hilarious because if you just hear out of context without the video, it sounds like someone
just being like, forget everything you've ever known in your entire life.
Dedicate to Nike.
Shoes, baby.
Yeah.
It's pretty good.
And it's, it just never stops playing.
Every podcast has that fucking commercial.
So, those words, cherry, never heard it.
Yeah, I have to double check what it is.
Oh, this is actually a fucked up one.
I made me not fucked up, it's sad.
Closing note here.
When people die.
Or when they're dying, I should say.
Okay.
And I haven't been around a lot of dying people, but it is the standard thing that you hear
in every movie and show.
And when people die, they are, when people are like in a tragic accident, they're about
to die.
They always call it for their mom and never their dad.
Oh, yeah.
That's kind of fucking crazy.
That's crazy.
That's crazy.
No, no, you never hear a dad.
It's always.
It's always.
Battlefield.
It's interview soldiers.
Oh, man, I mean, there's that infamous saving private Ryan scene where that guy's
dead.
Oh, man, do talk about that.
That leveled me up in terms of dark shit.
I've seen when I was like 13.
Dude, it hits a new cord of like, talk about up until that point, like, war, yeah, like
soldiers and guns and tanks and explosions.
Thank God those movies exist.
Yeah.
Cause, oh, it's the, you think war is cool until you see that.
Yeah.
And most of that movie up until that point is even the storming the beach of Normandy
in the beginning is like a battle scene.
And there's people getting blown up and losing their arms and stuff like that.
It's like Star Wars.
Yeah.
It's true.
You're like, yes, Steven Spielberg, explosions beach.
And then that reality of that guy dying on the field at one point, calling for his mama.
And you're like, oh, dude, it makes you cry.
Yeah.
So sad.
Yeah.
Back to the point though.
No one saying dad.
No one saying dad.
And why is that?
People love their dad.
Some people only have a dad.
I was going to say I feel like someone who only has a dad, they might say it.
They still say mama.
They're mom to son of dad's like, fuck.
I mean, I don't, I, yeah, I'm curious to hear if that's like actually true.
I believe you.
That sounds right.
Yeah.
And if it is as prominent and true as we're proposing here, that must speak so much to like
the connection between a mother and a child.
It's a deeper connection.
Yeah, which is kind of fucking, why is it designed that way?
You grew inside of her.
For sure.
But like you would think that some level of you taking care of a child would like say
you're a great father.
Yeah.
That you still can't overcome that like that physical connection to the mom of like,
this is the thing that grew me and birthed me and is my, I fed from her breast essentially.
Like that's, there's no outside that takes that, that instinct of going mom when you're
dying, you want your mom, not your dad.
Yeah.
Mixing never want to be a dad.
So I can see my son dying, saying I'm not saying dad, fuck that kid.
Yeah.
I mean, is this based on saving private Ryan?
No, it was, it was someone, someone talking about, I think they're an EMT talking about
people dying in real time.
That most people call for them, they never hear someone say dad.
So it's someone with boots on the ground.
But yeah, it's one person.
It's not.
I mean, that's pretty credible though.
That is something I like inherently would think even without hearing that story.
Yeah.
And to play devil's advocate on my own point about what you said earlier about if someone
had just a dad, they might say dad.
And from that EMT's experience, most people are probably more than likely raised by their
mom than their, like, there's more apps and fathers than there are mothers.
So numbers wise.
Correct.
So if you shifted it to just dads, it might just change in their calling out dad.
But only one way to know, got to kill someone and then see what they say.
Yes.
Yes.
Probably just torture them.
We don't have to kill them.
We can just put them in what they think is going to be a skiff and then just go to town
on them.
All your questions are answered.
That's right.
I have work.
What would be it?
It can be any room.
Just has to be.
Non-bugged.
And you need clearance for it.
Well, I want to get clearance to.
In general, our own Congress doesn't even get clearance.
That's what I don't get back to the Pentagon.
Congress relationship.
Like how can Congress not be like, we are the governments.
Let us in there.
That's a great, you know what?
And like, can Biden do it?
Can the president do it?
I think so.
I don't think actually has he commented on any of this?
No.
I don't think so.
I don't know.
That's a great question.
And I don't know why at the same time, I would not want anyone in our current Congress
to have access to.
But then who's the guy?
Who's the gatekeeper for that?
Who's the person that's what I do?
Yeah, that is fucking crazy.
Like the FBI and the CIA just go, no, you can't have any of this.
So the whistleblower is talking, he's like, the government is keeping secrets.
He's saying that to the government.
Yeah.
And then the government's like, oh my God, that's crazy.
It's like, who's the government?
Who's the government?
Somebody.
I'm assuming he's talking about the Pentagon, which is weird to refer to that as the government.
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
I mean, you go to the dark side of this.
There's people running this world that are controlling things on the wall.
I mean, yeah, that's the extreme version.
But the FBI, the FBI and the CIA are the strongest under the cover powers that are slowly controlling
what I want to know what the CIA does.
Oh, dude, horrendous things.
We talked about the Franklin scandal where they essentially like through a child trafficking
ring.
It got all the way to the court and then they literally just dismissed the case by like
means of force and then just disappeared.
Like they can just do that.
You know, I watched the Epstein documentary recently.
Oh, how that go.
I mean, it's fucking a good story.
Yeah.
It's happy.
But that ended with like, like one of his main victims was like, there are other people
out there.
Oh, yeah.
It's not just Jeffrey Epstein.
Yeah, dude.
Which is like, we're all like, yeah, but then I'm like, so who are they?
Oh, just other, whether, I mean, it's going to be another Jeffrey Epstein like person
most likely.
Yeah, well, she was implying like famous people.
Yeah.
Oh, sure.
I mean, why don't we know?
Because there was Prince Andrew, obviously, but outside.
Yeah.
Because no one, there's the people that get caught are the people who are just bad at
not keeping it secret.
There's probably so many people out there that have, when you have billions of dollars,
you can pay to just keep everything under lock.
You can work your way out of what I imagine most things with money when you have billions
of dollars.
But it's, it's the tip of the iceberg is an Epstein because you listen to like, that's
so disturbing.
Dude, I forgot who it was.
Another Joe Rogan person that was on, but he was, he was either FBI or CIA and realized
that in those systems, he could barely fight child trafficking rings.
So he went in this like rogue operation, like God, out of the FBI and the CIA ran his
own operation in like Somalia or something that just goes to all these child human, like
shuts them down through gray area, league alley, essentially like hired mercenaries that
would go bust these fucking child trafficking rings.
It's insane, dude.
And like the craziest part was him talking about when he finally gets the ring leaders and
they arrest them or whatever they do, they would just, they would put them in like a
small him prison or whatever this fucking is, where the law is a lot more lax about like
proper procedure.
And like it's just bad guy get them put them in fucking prison, which can work against
a good society as well.
But every single guy he said he would talk to was those people just started, it was all
the beginning was porn for the most part.
Like normal porn.
Yeah.
And then it just, it just keeps escalating for most people it doesn't turn out that way.
But for some people, they can't stop escalating.
And at least to that and eventually gets to the point where there is so obsessive with
it that the only way to like get close to it is to start running all of it.
And then they just get into this world of doing that.
It's fucking terrifying.
That's lower level stuff, which the billionaires then come to those places and bring all those
people.
And yeah, so it's, I don't know man, it's going on everywhere.
And I mean, you want to get, you go back in time, it's just happening and people like,
oh yeah, people raping kids.
I mean, the Greeks and like would have 12 year olds as they're just like boys they
would fuck.
And people are like, yeah, what do you mean?
And like it, it's terrible thing, but it was just people were doing it all the time.
Thank God we've come to our senses and been like, no, we should probably, probably not
do that.
That's really that.
But I wonder if that history of people is just still in like the people who, some of
the people who have risen to the top.
And it's just like still doing that thing that most of humanity has agreed, we shouldn't
be doing this anymore.
But well, this is a dark place.
But wait, so with the Epstein stuff, was it just all the standard stuff we heard where
there's the island, they had all these things.
He has the paintings of George Bush and Bill Clinton in the dress and, and it's all
like, oh, I didn't hear that part.
Oh, you haven't seen those paintings?
In his island in that giant mansion or the fuck you had on it, you had a painting of George
Bush looking like a kid like playing with a paper airplane, like a giant painting.
And then there was another one of the, he had a little weird art.
Yeah, there was one of Bill Clinton in like a dress just like propped up on a very strange.
Bill Clinton pretty much confirmed was on the island.
Yeah, I mean those flight logs suggest.
Flight logs, they're, they interview like one of his island attendants like a tech guy.
Yeah.
And he's like, yeah, I saw Bill Clinton all the time.
I'm Prince Andrew.
But I mean, it's, it wasn't new information, but like all the victims, the interview
of the victims and it is just so disturbing.
Like it gets you a much closer look at the atrocity of what that was.
Yeah.
If you need that, like, yeah, no, it's, it's, and then it's like you, you can hear what
happened, but then when you hear the victims talk, it's like, oh my God.
Yeah, this is a fucking insane.
So, then I imagine it covered the end of him, right?
Yeah.
Where it's like the most suspicious thing on the planet of him going to this prison and
the guard, the cat, what the camera turns off, the guard goes on break.
Yeah.
Like everything to, and then he's committed suicide.
Yeah, it's like, they didn't even like comment on that as much, but we're like the, the
victims were like, yeah, we finally had him and he somehow just escaped again, like killing
himself, like never faced any accountability in his life.
I feel like someone just wanted him dead.
Yeah.
I feel like, dude, what do you, for the information?
Yeah, dude, he could have fucking screwed over probably a lot of people.
Every, so all his, his states and the island, especially, yeah, surveillance on every
inch of that island.
So it was like he was building leverage against anyone who was there the whole time.
Essentially one of the most powerful people on the planet probably.
Yeah.
If he had presidents of America, like that just he had dirt on.
Yeah.
Which again, to the point, like how do we not know who else was there?
He filmed everything because people don't, I mean, the same, I think for the same reason
he's dead, is that someone paid someone, or there's enough people at the top, they're
like, this can't get out.
Otherwise we'll all lose our power and just throw money.
Gobs and gobs and gobs of money at the situation until it goes away.
And look, he initially avoided it all.
Like he, he went to trial.
Yeah.
And basically through money got off on a plea deal of like 12 months in the nicest prison.
Sure.
And then got out on parole and was just still committing those crimes.
Yeah.
Technically in jail.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He almost used money to just get out of all that.
Yeah.
That's extremely fucked up.
We on time.
Hour 23.
All right.
Let's do the reoccurring stuff and then gut it.
All right.
Try to, try to remember off the top of my head.
What is one of the first ones?
Jesus Christ, the list is so big.
Moments that made you tear up or saw like a bitch.
Make you feel emotional.
Okay.
You phrase it that way every time.
Yeah.
I talked to you about this earlier, the big short, such a good movie.
There's some pretty intense moments in that.
Yeah.
I really need to rewatch that.
Yeah.
I don't remember.
Or feeling anything during that entire movie.
I mean, most of it is not like super emotional.
It's more just like super interesting.
Yeah.
But there's, there's one part of that.
It's like pretty good.
Yeah.
That's fair, man.
Movies.
Movies are good.
Love a good movie.
Emotional moments.
Yeah.
It can make for a good time.
Let me think.
Emotional moment.
Um.
I don't know.
You can pull it over by a cop.
Did you cry your way out of it?
Yeah.
Dude, sobbed.
I wish I could force myself to cry.
That'd be a super handy trick.
So useful.
Yeah.
Most people, when I see someone cry, I can't.
So manipulative.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
I had girlfriends who could do it on demand, totally manipulated me.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was fucking, because I, I can't take it.
There was, what?
Dude, this is fucked up.
This is, maybe it's not fucked up, but, uh, last girl, girlfriend before my last girlfriend,
we, there was a towards the end.
There is a lot of factors of like, I broke up with her and then she, she was crying while
I was trying to break up with her and I, I feel so bad that I have reeled back the
break.
It's like, okay, wait, maybe we can try it.
And then, but then it caused me to, once I'm away from her, I go, I want to break, like,
I want to break up.
Right.
And she would cry.
And we had this back and forth towards the end.
There was way worse than if I just broke up.
Yeah.
So that happened.
And then the most recent girlfriend, I wanted to break up with her and I did it over
face time.
Cause I, and I was like, I know if I see you crying person, I'm gonna change.
And this is not to be shitty, but I know I'm gonna flip on myself and then we're gonna
have to do this again.
And she, I mean, she wasn't having any of that.
So it made it kind of worse in the moment, but it was break after that.
But I've, it's a tough, piled a swallow to break up with someone with that.
I haven't seen her sense, which is kind of the craziest part.
So that's that face time call?
Yes.
So that's the, that's the last time I talked to her.
Wow.
Yeah, dude.
So where was this going though?
If you could cry and demand.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So, but none of them were that person, but prior had people who would do that.
And it was eventually you learn because they're just doing it at moments that at first,
you're like, oh man, I didn't realize that they feel so hurt by what happened.
And then he was like, oh, they're just doing this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway, I don't know if I had any moments where I felt emotional.
I can't think of anything other than feeling like I wanted to go home during that music festival.
It's probably the most emotional I felt in a non-sad way, but more like, what did I get
myself into?
I like, you're just yelling at your past self.
Like, what the fuck?
What were you thinking?
Why would you do this?
Feeling of wasting time?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, man, let's go to pet peeve for the quick.
We'll go to, all right.
At that festival, there's merch, right?
You can buy, there's merch stands everywhere.
I'm gonna go buy some merch.
Go up to the fucking thing, huge line.
But typically at a merch stand, it moves pretty quick.
People buy a shirt, they get out of line.
It keeps flowing, right?
Staying the same spot for maybe 20 minutes.
And I'm like, there's tons of people when I look over.
And there's people who are getting to the front of the line and then trying on clothes.
Like going, it's just the equivalence of like trying every flavor of ice cream.
Yeah.
But this is extreme where there's probably 30 people waiting in every single line.
And there's a show going.
We all want to get back to the show and you're choosing to get to the front and go,
okay, do a medium, can I do a large of that one?
Oh, wait, I want to try.
Buy a fucking shirt.
Dude, I got, after I saw that, I go, I'm like,
tap the guy in the shoulder who's next me go, are they trying shirts on up there?
And he's like, I think so.
Would you ever do that?
He's like, no, this is fucking insane.
I never heard of that happen.
Dude, I was in that line for probably-
At a stand?
Yeah, in the middle of the music festival.
Hmm.
The rage inside me in that moment was so aggressive.
It's like a new pet peeve.
It's like a new one.
It's going back to a while ago, you said it best where you're like, pet peeves come down to just
the core self-awareness and people not having it.
Yeah.
That one of being in the front of a line where people are pushing up against you.
There's so many people and you're going, let me get a medium.
I want to try that one on first and just holding up all of it.
Yeah, it was nuts, man.
And I-
He had met so much to that person that they had to get the right size.
They loved the music so much.
Oh, man.
I guess, man, but shouldn't you just know-
I'm not defending this man.
That's fair.
I did.
But you have a general idea.
Merch stuff is never going to fit, great.
Yeah.
It's always a crap.
If you're-
It's merged to souvenir.
Exactly, dude.
Just get aside.
Like if you get a large and you're a medium, it's going to be a bigger.
Like you don't know.
It's not worth holding up every single person there.
Yeah.
So you can get some fucking t-shirt from a concert for $80.
So fucking silly.
Anyway.
Wait, you were-
You were getting birch, though.
Yeah.
It's maybe more surprising of this concert you hated.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Just guys, I've been more about that as I've gone to more recent concerts.
It's like a little memento.
It's like, remember that shit time?
I've never wanted to forget this.
Yeah, remember that time where you really fucked up
and you thought you could have fun here?
So yeah, that was my pet, Peeve.
Definitely worth of a lot of rage.
How about you?
Any peeves?
I don't have any recently.
I'm going to go to my archives here.
I have some peeves.
I gotta write some stuff.
I gotta start writing mine down.
I never do.
Yeah, because I don't get them on.
Just bugged by everything.
Bikers.
Check that one.
We definitely talked about that one.
All right, I'll go with a simple one.
Kind of like the chef's kiss.
When people do the fake puking noise,
you ever get this?
They don't like something.
They like that.
Kind of hate that.
I'm noticing a trend.
Kind of don't like it.
You don't like the similar.
It's kind of similar.
Yeah, it's in the vein of like
if they truly felt that way, they would be throwing up.
You know, like it is.
I get the chef's kiss thing.
I hate unequivically.
I will never like that.
There's no leeway.
Yes.
I hate that in principle.
The fake puking thing, I get the joke.
It's a subtle little joke.
I think it's overused.
It's used too much.
Yeah.
When I hear the same person do it multiple times
in the same sitting,
I gotta stop doing that.
I gotta bring this back to.
I don't know who you're hanging out with.
Because I, the chef's kiss and this one.
This one's even more common, I think.
I haven't seen someone do either of those things.
More than probably six times, five times in my life.
Like it's just not...
You have to behave with people who are doing this consistently.
Because it only gets to that point.
Or maybe I just fix on it.
I might just fix it on it.
But like, dude,
when's the last time someone did this?
Can you remember either one chef's kisser
or fake vomit noise?
That's a pound a little bit.
I can remember a specific instance of the fake.
Because I remember when this thought came to me.
I was like, you know, I'm kind of tired of that.
Don't care for that.
It was at my apartment.
I'm not going to name who.
But yeah.
What was it over?
What was the thing that triggered it?
It's like...
It's often politics again.
Like the show's kiss.
That's like a policy.
That can really jade you.
When it's around that where it's like...
It's not always that.
It's never food, which is what that reaction is about.
It's always like something you disagree with.
It's usually like a stance.
You're so grossed out, you have to physically show that it's grossing you out.
Why not?
If I was like, I love Joe Biden.
If I like express that.
And then they'd be like, who's it?
It's kind of like...
Yeah.
Why don't you stop?
I'd rather just use words maybe.
Maybe be like, I disagree with you.
You're giving people too much credit.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
Because we're getting into it.
Maybe it's like...
It's like a subtle expression of disagreement.
But they don't have...
I feel like that's more aggressive.
I feel like it.
But they're not saying what it is or why.
It's like you're just expressing disapproval and you're not going to elaborate on it.
Right.
I mean, it's way easier to do that.
I definitely feel it's more...
If someone does that to me after I say something,
makes me mad.
I'm on your side.
I would be like, that's what you're going to do.
You fucking piece of shit.
What are we children?
See, it's never something that I care about that much.
Sure.
It's more in a joking context.
But it's like...
But there's also something...
It's very subtle.
If I say something, someone does that.
There's part of me that goes,
Oh man.
They hate that so much.
The thing that came out of my mouth,
that they're making that sound.
And it makes me mad that they're having that judgment.
Which is...
I'm not on the right for...
Take...
I don't know.
It feels like it's such a harsh thing to do.
It's all...
Even if I...
like...
agree with it.
Like, it could also be like, I said a joke.
That's like intentionally like...
wrong or off-putting or something.
Sure.
And that's like...
That would be like an expression of agreement in that case.
But then it...
That's a lot more of a...
It's still just like...
I don't like that.
It's a weird one.
Yeah.
I...
I feel you on this one.
I definitely...
I don't think we've had a pet people that either of us disagree on at this point.
Yeah.
They're all very rational ones.
I hope it happens around both of us.
It hasn't happened in a while.
You know my response will be...
You do it, Connor it.
Neutralize it.
No, that...
You would think because we talked about the chef's gifts a while ago,
I would have...
through likes psychological priming, it would have happened by now.
I don't think it has.
I was not able to get this.
No, it's definitely...
I was not able to get this.
I was doing it ironically.
Sure.
It definitely...
I have not seen...
No, no, no.
It does it to me all the time, man.
Well, you give him an inch.
He will go a mile.
You don't show that man any weakness.
Yeah, you can't.
Yeah.
He'll take it to the distance that you don't want.
In a fun way.
But...
Yeah, no.
We agree on this one.
For sure.
I think there's one more...
re-ecurrent that we've got to do and then we'll finish this thing up.
Anxiety written experience over this...
past week.
I saw a cave diving video today.
That'll do it.
I mean, those are just everywhere at this point.
Yeah, why are people doing this to us?
Yeah, avoid it.
Just stop posting those.
You got one?
I mean...
Like how we get to the pillars of our podcast and it's like,
this faulty foundation.
I mean, not to talk about the music festival thing again,
but that moment where you realize you're trapped,
where I'm like, oh, I'm locked into this.
Definitely causing anxiety.
There's no place I can go to be alone.
I have to be around this.
I have to be around these people.
Is this social setting too?
Yep.
You're just sitting there.
That's a good one.
I've been there a lot of times in different ways.
That's a tough one.
Yeah.
And then there's also the...
Even though it doesn't matter me trying to not be awkward,
because I'm not the guy...
I'm at that point in the night when it's later,
I'm the one not on the same level.
So I have to kind of like blend,
but I also am tired and I don't want to be here.
So it's like all these opposing forces inside me...
Yeah.
Force into this bottleneck of, don't be weird.
And it causes so much anxiety, man.
Right.
Through the roof.
I mean, just like being sober at a bar gives me that.
Oh, yeah.
It's the fucking worst.
So yeah, that was pretty bad.
And nothing better though,
of the second my ass touched the seat of that car leaving.
It was like a...
Can't wait to drive.
Just dumb away from all of it.
So that was that for me.
If you don't have one, I mean, it's totally okay.
I'll pass on this one.
Um...
Last thing, which...
Who knows if I don't even know if I have things you wish you knew before you go into it,
I can talk about this music festival thing forever.
It doesn't...
All sucked.
All the reoccurring things have been related to that music festival.
They have all happened.
So...
Who knows?
Wish I would have trusted my gut when I saw one of those techno shows lower level
and been like, oh, this sucks.
Yeah.
Instead of me going, oh, it's gonna be a bigger production.
It'll be better.
It's the same music.
It's the same exact fucking thing.
So...
How about you?
I'm gonna say buying property.
Oh, yeah, I forgot.
Going through that right now.
So much shit that no one ever tells you about.
And you really can't learn it until you go through it.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess you could, but...
It's panning the ass.
Yeah, dude.
There's more than meets the eye.
You'll be an expert by the end of it though.
That's the thing.
I mean, you'll get...
I imagine you'll probably at one point in your life have another property after your first one.
And that transition between them will be so much easier.
No, it's good experience.
But it's...
I didn't think it would take like months of searching and asking questions about different properties.
All these different scenarios that come up.
There's just a lot of shit.
The higher the dollar amount,
yeah.
Everything gets so much more complex.
You're right.
Or it just...
The questions, the inspections,
the everything.
And you can literally quantify how stressed you're going to be over something.
Because price here property, I'm way more on edge about every little detail.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Like cheaper one.
It's like I could afford a surprise here and there.
But...
Yeah, yeah.
That's fair.
But definitely, that's a good one.
Which I'm glad I don't have it right now.
But you'll be investing in something.
That'll be probably fun, and awesome once you get it.
All right.
Good place to end.
Yeah.
All right, thanks for tuning in.
We'll see you next year.
I'm skinned.
Happy New Year.
Yeah, bye everybody.